Crop Circles: The Science, Myth and Mystery Behind Them.

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In this captivating episode of the Astrology Hub Podcast, Amanda interviews master astrologer and crop circle expert Steve Judd. With over 35 years of research, Steve shares the enigmatic history, mathematical precision, and mystical energy of crop circles. He reveals firsthand experiences, such as witnessing crop circles forming in seconds, and explores their potential connections to astrology and ancient landscapes. Whether you’re a skeptic or a believer, this discussion promises to expand your perspective on these extraordinary phenomena.

What You’ll Learn:

📝The fascinating origins and evolution of crop circles, including their history dating back centuries.

📐The astonishing geometric and mathematical intricacies of these formations, including examples of prime number and pi-based designs.

🔍The scientific findings on molecular changes within crop circles compared to surrounding fields.

🏞️How crop circles connect to ancient landscapes, ley lines, and sacred sites like Stonehenge.

💡Insights into the interplay between crop circles, human consciousness, and astrological cycles.

❓Why crop circles remain a mystery despite debunking efforts and the importance of maintaining curiosity about the unexplained.

Transcript:

00:00:00:02 – 00:00:38:19

Amanda

Well. Hello, happy New Year and welcome to the Astrology Hub podcast. Now you are in for a special treat today. In this episode we’re joined by Master astrologer and crop circle expert Steve Judd, who has spent the past 35 years researching crop circles. We’ll cover why Steve has been so compelled to study this mysterious phenomenon, some history about the formations, their astonishing geometric and mathematical intricacies, and we’ll cover some of Steve’s first hand experiences, like witnessing a massive crop circle appear in under seven seconds.

00:00:38:21 – 00:01:10:18

Amanda

Plus, we’ll dive into the electrifying energy inside the formations, the connection to ancient landscapes, and what these patterns might reveal about the interplay between astrology and the earth. Whether you’re a skeptic or a believer, this episode promises to open your mind to new possibilities. So grab a cup of your favorite beverage, settle in, and let’s journey into the mind blowing world of crop circles.

00:01:10:20 – 00:01:12:14

Amanda

Steve, welcome to the show.

00:01:12:16 – 00:01:26:05

Steve

Thank you. Amanda. It’s a pleasure. It’s lovely to see you again. And it’s a pleasure to be here on Astrology Hub. Without a doubt, the best podcast for Western astrology in the world at this time.

00:01:26:07 – 00:01:38:23

Amanda

Come out with a bold statement like that. Thank you Steve. Such an honor. Okay, so let’s start with the backstory, because it’s fascinating to know that you’ve been you’ve been into this for 35 years. What led you to it?

00:01:39:00 – 00:02:05:23

Steve

I grew up in the southern central parts of England, which is where the vast majority of the big stone circles are. And from a very young age, four, five, six years old, my grandfather would take me to Stonehenge. So I was always fascinated with the, the sites of antiquity. And, I was always interested in looking at the old monuments.

00:02:06:00 – 00:02:41:19

Steve

And, and there was just something about being out there in the landscape with them and, and seeing them on the horizon, because the gap between heaven and earth on the horizon is for some reason, it’s fascinated me since I was a child. So astrology was a natural fit for me. And I used to go out, you know, in the mid 80s, me and my friends used to go out and we used to have these really complicated ordnance Survey maps, maps of the landscape on high definition maps or as high definition you get in the mid 80s, and they show all the roads and all the old monuments and all the old sites, and we’d be

00:02:41:19 – 00:03:06:23

Steve

drawing ley lines on there and thinking, okay, so straight there, I wonder what’s there. Let’s go and have a look there. And, we were just dancing around the landscape. And then one day I found myself in a in a on a hillock with a few trees on the top, overlooking a number of philosophical works. That and there’s this sort of indentation in the middle of a field.

00:03:07:00 – 00:03:28:18

Steve

And I thought, well, I’ve got to go and have a look. And, and it was a close circle and it was about 25ft to 30ft wide, and it was just a round circle, and all the wheat was laid down in a kind of circular swirl formation, just so. I’ve never seen nothing like this in my life before. And that was my June 1989.

00:03:28:20 – 00:03:50:12

Steve

And then there was the mutterings in the alternate press around that time of 1 or 2 of these formations beginning to happen. Now, many years later, as I got more into doing research, I realized that this wasn’t a novel. This wasn’t a new thing. I spoke to a couple of farmers who Groves grandfathers, who remembered crop circles in the 19 tens and 1920s.

00:03:50:14 – 00:04:22:09

Steve

And then I dug deeper, and I found out that crop circles in Britain in the 1600s and early, very early 1600s. And then they stopped. So I’ve been around before, but never to the degree of intricacy, depth and size that they’ve been in the last 35 years. In the past, crop circles have all been little circles. People used to comb fairy circles because I didn’t know what else to call them, but they were never more than 20 or 30ft.

00:04:22:11 – 00:04:59:16

Steve

But in 1990, it all changed when instead of just circles, there was really big, complicated formations happening in the fields. And in later years, as the complications that the patterns grew, it became clearer and clearer that whatever it was that was generating them was sending us mathematical formulae, because some of the formations were, you know, 13 fold, 17 fold geometry, prime number geometry in ways that just defies rational explanation.

00:04:59:18 – 00:05:30:03

Steve

And when you get 8000m² square yards of wheat laid down to a tune a millimeter precision, it makes you think, okay, there’s something to this. Now, of course, what happened was immediately there was a big disinformation program in the early 90s and quite a few newspapers led with the stories of how this was all the work of drunk students on a Friday night, or two old guys who said we did it with planks and they were paid a lot of money to say that.

00:05:30:05 – 00:05:55:07

Steve

But by the time we were into the late 1990s, we’ve got electron microscopes looking at the molecular structure of the way, and I’ve seen molecular. I’ve looked through the telescope at the molecular structure of wheat inside a crop circle and then two meters outside the crop circle, and such a radical of the wheat outside the crop circle. When you look into the molecule of it, the atoms are all over the place.

00:05:55:07 – 00:06:22:14

Steve

You start looking into a galaxy. And when you look at the molecules from inside a crop circle, all the atoms are arranged in straight lines. That isn’t happening in nature. So. So you know, this this just made me think, okay, there’s something strange here. It’s a mystery. And it’s got to do with landscape, because the crop circles all happened initially in the southern central part of England.

00:06:22:16 – 00:06:43:08

Steve

Still to this day, 60% of the crop circles in the world happened in Britain. And although 60%, half of them happened in the southern central parts of Britain, where all the old stone circles were, and this was the part of Britain that was the first place to be inhabited after the land bridge broke when the Ice Age ended.

00:06:43:10 – 00:06:57:03

Steve

This is where the first monuments were built. So there’s something around the connection with landscape and horizon here, which, as an astrologer. Wow, the blend of heaven and.

00:06:57:03 – 00:07:02:17

Amanda

Earth explain that more so the connection between landscape and the horizon.

00:07:02:19 – 00:07:21:15

Steve

Many, many times I go out overnight and I find a nice little hillock or a little hill somewhere, and I just sit there with my little telescope for 3 or 4 hours, looking at the sky and the stars and the planets. And I know the best vantage points in my local area to be able to sit and do that.

00:07:21:18 – 00:07:50:09

Steve

So I could see planets coming up on the horizon and see them setting on the horizon. Because the horizon is at a magical point, you know, it’s the interface between light and dark sunrise. Sunset is where the ascendant and the descendant is. So to see the cycle of the planets and the stars going cross and airplanes and satellites, and very rarely 1 or 2 unexplainable aerial phenomena that I choose not to categorize.

00:07:50:09 – 00:08:19:04

Steve

I just don’t know what they were. But I choose not to go into the land of UFOs or alien. And then I became aware that these formations in the fields were happening overnight. With regularity, only between the months of early May and early September, because that’s when the wheat was growing and the barley in the rye. It’s not only crops like this.

00:08:19:04 – 00:08:52:06

Steve

You get crop circles and you also get them in vegetables. I’ve seen a tree circle where you have. I’ve seen about 35 to 40 trees each about, I suppose, 6 to 8in in diameter in right in diameter at the base, bent at an angle of 3540 degrees in the spiral formation. You get them in cabbages pays, but it’s mainly wheat, rye, barley.

00:08:52:08 – 00:09:15:23

Steve

Well, let me show you a picture of the first big crop circle. You should see that on your screen. In all of these pictures I’m going to show you. You will see these tractor lines. These are lines that the tractor goes up and down to spray the fields on. And each of these sets of tractor lines, the gap between them is 20m.

00:09:16:02 – 00:09:45:17

Steve

That’s about 22 to 23 yards. So from one side to the other this crop circle is about 30 yards, but it’s about 200 yards long. So that’s 6000yd². So I’ve been on that hill overlooking here and and at 6 a.m. it’s dawn. Nothing. Nothing happening. Fields are empty, a storm. The cloud comes in. The cloud covers the field for about 20 minutes off our cloud.

00:09:45:17 – 00:09:48:10

Steve

This gigantic crop circle.

00:09:48:12 – 00:09:50:13

Amanda

You know, you’ve seen this.

00:09:50:13 – 00:10:13:05

Steve

I’ve seen that with my own eyes. I saw above the cloud. Nothing came down. No one went in the field. And within half an hour, crop circle of some. It was a giant snail. I think that one giant, very geometric snail formed and 120 or 30 other people saw it, including the farmer who, who, who owned that field, whom I knew quite well.

00:10:13:08 – 00:10:21:03

Amanda

Let us go back to one of the things you said sort of early on, you said there was a disinformation campaign in the 90s. Was is that.

00:10:21:03 – 00:10:21:19

Steve

Yes.

00:10:21:21 – 00:10:34:12

Amanda

Okay. And why do you think that is? And what what was I mean, you gave a few clues about what the disinformation campaign is, but why do you think that that was something that happened?

00:10:34:14 – 00:10:54:11

Steve

I know it happened after only the first ten years or so, where where the crop circle phenomena suddenly exploded in the 90s and the early 2000s we used to go out onto the plains were all the fields were. And we’d think, okay, how do we find where the crop circle is? Easy. Let’s see what a military or police helicopters are hovering.

00:10:54:13 – 00:10:55:16

Amanda

Whoa.

00:10:55:18 – 00:11:20:24

Steve

That’s how we used to find them. Then, of course, we got micro lights. And in modern days, drones. So it’s much easier to find them these days. I don’t know this to be true, but it’s supposition on my part. But it makes sense to me all of a sudden, highly advanced mathematical formulas being reproduced at a vast scale in the fields of southern England.

00:11:21:01 – 00:11:53:04

Steve

For me, that there are scientists don’t yet know. It’s obviously the product of a highly involved in the intelligence. It makes sense, therefore, to create a disinformation campaign, always all done by drunk students after six beers, or to go to August for a bit of wood, because otherwise the government’s going to have to say, we don’t know what it is or who’s making it, which is going to lead to a lot of embarrassing questions and possible panic.

00:11:53:06 – 00:12:09:21

Steve

Or it was seen that way nowadays, crop circles, staying still. You know, every year you get a spread in some newspapers, this year’s best crop circles. And of course, they’re all made by drunks and students. No, they’re not.

00:12:09:23 – 00:12:25:19

Amanda

How do we know? Steve, I like this is probably not the most intelligent question, but I’d love to hear what you say to that disinformation campaign. Why is it impossible that it’s not just drunk students into old guys with their.

00:12:25:21 – 00:12:49:22

Steve

Well, firstly, because all of these formations happen in the middle of the night and in the middle of the night in southern England, the, you only get about six hours of darkness. So, for example, you get standing tufts left in the middle with little bits of wheat wrapped around the bottom, and knotted knot weight is still alive.

00:12:49:22 – 00:13:05:17

Steve

It will grow if you don’t walk on it. There’s secondly that the the molecular structure of the wheat has been changed in many, not in all cases, but in many cases.

00:13:05:19 – 00:13:46:17

Steve

There’s been so many attempts to make perfect. But to humans, to make crop circles, there is a big housing community. I have seen hoaxers trying to make crop circles, and some of them are very good. Very good indeed. So much so that you can’t tell them from the real thing, except that I can’t do it in 4 or 5, six hours, in the middle of a night in the dark, especially when there’s lots of people looking around to see what’s happening without getting blown, because you need lights in the middle of the night to make a crop circle to get it right.

00:13:46:19 – 00:13:52:05

Steve

So I can’t help but feel realistically most of the hoax is just is rubbish.

00:13:52:08 – 00:13:56:07

Amanda

How long do the hoaxes take? They how long does it take them to do those?

00:13:56:09 – 00:13:59:20

Steve

Anywhere from, 1 to 5 days.

00:13:59:22 – 00:14:07:18

Amanda

And how do you know when you go to those? How do you know that they’re different from the other ones, besides the fact that it took them longer to create it?

00:14:07:20 – 00:14:38:05

Steve

Precision. When humans hoax crop circles, they do it primarily. You’ll get someone stood in the middle of a field with a rope wind around their waist, and then someone claps the other end of the rope and begins to walk around in circles, expanding. So you got a regular spiral happening. Or you’ll find people standing in the middle of a field with a long pole, the like a fishing rods with a ball on a chain at the other end, and they just spin it round, making a big circle.

00:14:38:09 – 00:15:02:24

Steve

So you’ve got a perfect circle and then a team of guys, a team of people will go in with flattening boards as a plank of wood with two bits of rope, one on each end. And I just walk around strapping on these boards, pushing it down in a circle. But even the best hoaxers cannot make the millimeter precision that you get with crop circles that are real.

00:15:03:01 – 00:15:10:21

Amanda

Well, Steve, also, I was wondering, does the wheat bend at the nodes when the hoaxers do it, it still bends right there at the nodes. Or does it get.

00:15:10:23 – 00:15:13:10

Steve

No, no, it breaks, it breaks.

00:15:13:10 – 00:15:15:09

Amanda

And then it doesn’t grow back doesn’t bend.

00:15:15:11 – 00:15:16:08

Steve

It doesn’t grow back.

00:15:16:13 – 00:15:20:01

Amanda

Okay. So those are those are some pretty clear distinctions in terms.

00:15:20:01 – 00:15:48:24

Steve

It is. And also when you get elements of absolute precision for example this is one of the most famous crop circles of all time. This is poorly starts at the center and the lines come out 3/10 of a circle, one tenth of a circle, 4/10 of a circle, 2/10 of a circle, 5/10 of a circle, 9/10 of a circle.

00:15:49:01 – 00:16:19:06

Steve

What is pi 3.14259. This is pi in the fields. Perfect, precise. And this is only about 50 yards wide. They. But you know, when you get mathematical formula, I like this. This is pi perfectly. It’s been verified by so many mathematicians. Numerology is perfect. So.

00:16:19:08 – 00:16:34:05

Amanda

When you say there’s some formulas that that we don’t understand yet, there’s r u, meaning there’s mathematical formulas that are showing up in these crop circles that don’t fit into our paradigm of.

00:16:34:05 – 00:16:36:22

Steve

Yes, our understanding as yet.

00:16:36:24 – 00:16:41:21

Amanda

Okay. Can you give us an example of one of those, or do we even have language to think?

00:16:42:02 – 00:17:04:02

Steve

Yeah, I think I’ve got some here. Now when you look at the as the on the three big four big themes that come out at the end, you’ve got either triangles or hatching, where is the weight is laid, first of all left to right. And then on top north to south, east to west, north to south east west.

00:17:04:07 – 00:17:08:18

Steve

So it’s a kind of hatching, thatching. It’s almost like stitching it together.

00:17:08:20 – 00:17:11:10

Amanda

Wow that’s gorgeous.

00:17:11:12 – 00:17:12:06

Steve

Yes it is.

00:17:12:08 – 00:17:25:24

Amanda

Oh beautiful. Hey, if you’re listening to this on the podcast right now, I just highly recommend you check this same episode out on YouTube because the visuals this is this took my breath away when you put it on the screen.

00:17:26:01 – 00:17:27:07

Steve

Yeah, it’s pretty good.

00:17:27:08 – 00:17:32:19

Amanda

Can you show us an example of a hoax so we can we can see for ourselves. Do you have any of those?

00:17:32:21 – 00:17:52:19

Steve

No, I don’t know if I have any hoaxes lined up. Companies employ hoaxes to go out there and make crop circles advertising their products. Coca Cola, hamlet cigars, Volvo cars. They might get people to make crop circles advertising. That’s that that products.

00:17:52:21 – 00:18:00:07

Amanda

Yeah. I was going to ask what what what’s the motivation of the hoaxers. Why do you think money they get paid to do it.

00:18:00:09 – 00:18:24:04

Steve

Well we do lot the corporates and companies. Yes, to advertise their products. The hoaxers who there’s a few diehards originally amongst the hoax and community who are convinced that all the crop circles were manmade. So they set out to become hoaxers themselves because they just what everyone else was stupid to believe. But these were real.

00:18:24:06 – 00:18:40:09

Steve

More recently in modern times, in the last 15 to 20 years, the hoax in community do seem to be able to acquire funding to, for their activities from unknown sources. And I don’t want to go any further than that. Yeah.

00:18:40:11 – 00:18:40:22

Amanda

Okay.

00:18:40:22 – 00:19:06:15

Steve

Okay. Yes. Now I need to be clear of something. I’ve seen a number of circles happening in an hour, one of them forming. And I can assure you that these crop circle formations do not come from above. They don’t come from underneath. They’re not my perfume ones. And that’s certainly not made by animals. Now there is that the the the frequency of them is decreasing.

00:19:06:15 – 00:19:35:23

Steve

Now. And when you look back in history at times of crop circles in the 1500s, the 1890s to 19 tens, there’s there’s definite periods where there’s a surge and then there’s a decrease and then they disappear. But they all I they seem to happen at times of acceleration, of evolution. And they seem to be of a benevolent nature.

00:19:36:00 – 00:20:15:22

Steve

90% of people who go in crop circles feel elated, joyful. Some people find with pleasure. 10% of people don’t experience that. There’s been some some dodgy events, nothing serious. There’s been some people go into crop circles and get spontaneous migraines. Other women, some women go into crop circles and immediately start menstruating. Regardless whether it’s that time of the month, there’s some type of I’m not going to use the word etcetera, but for some type of extraordinary feeling associated with it.

00:20:15:22 – 00:20:44:07

Steve

That effect shuts and sensitives in physical ways, but there is a sense of benevolence in 90% of the crop circles. I’ve never personally experienced a crop circle that has disturbed me or made me feel malevolent or overt. It’s a malevolent thing. I’ve seen a number of examples of writing, not in any language we know that’s never been deciphered.

00:20:44:09 – 00:21:05:11

Steve

Clear examples of writing. We’ve also had, messages via the crop circles in binary that has been translated doesn’t really make sense if you look at it in a scientific way. From a spiritual perspective, it does make sense.

00:21:05:13 – 00:21:09:00

Amanda

Can you share some of those examples? Will you be sharing some of those in the upcoming class?

00:21:09:01 – 00:21:15:19

Steve

Okay, I’ll show you one now. Yeah, I’ll show you the one of the classic example of a writing.

00:21:15:21 – 00:21:18:11

Amanda

Oh my God.

00:21:18:13 – 00:21:45:04

Steve

Now that’s about, I suppose, 150 odd long and 70 yards wide. Oh, what the hell is going on in our fields? You know, but look at the geometry. Look at you can see the vessel and the shape of the circles above it. And the swallow, it’s like a swallows. It’s like a picture of a swallow or swift. And yet there’s this writing coming down for that.

00:21:45:06 – 00:22:21:10

Steve

What’s really interesting is in the last 15 to 20 years, the interest from the kind of spook community has really faded away. You don’t see helicopters anymore. They’ve got drones nowadays, but you don’t see helicopters. You don’t see, that much governmental interest at all anymore, because I think they they’ve realized that they’re not a threat and they’re not a sign of imminent alien invasion or anything like that.

00:22:21:12 – 00:23:03:01

Steve

So, so due to my exposure of 30 of 45 years of astrology and my interest in the esoteric as well as sacred geometry stuff I’ve been involved with all my life and, and particularly reading the works of people like, for example, Terence McKenna. It gives me an insight into ideas on actually what the generating force behind the crop circle formations is and where the crop circle makers actually live and what or who they are.

00:23:03:03 – 00:23:32:13

Steve

Oh, and I’m sure you’re aware through your own studies and experiences that once you’ve been doing something long enough and you become a master with it, you can sometimes just deliberately not focus on what you’re looking at and turn off your mind consciously from what you’re looking at, at which point something else comes in that gives you a much deeper or clearer insight into what’s really going on.

00:23:32:15 – 00:23:35:21

Steve

And then as soon as you start focusing on it, it’s gone.

00:23:35:23 – 00:23:37:01

Amanda

Yes.

00:23:37:03 – 00:23:59:00

Steve

Okay. That all the time with a crop circles is one of them where you walk in to a fresh crop circle and you prickle all the hairs on your arm and the back of your neck stick up and you can hear in a fresh one. This really like trilling of lots of very high electrical birdsong. It’s not birdsong, but it sounds like it.

00:23:59:02 – 00:24:21:18

Steve

And you just think, oh, it’s getting louder, it’s getting louder and I don’t want to look at it. I don’t want to focus and then you can’t help you say, okay, what is that? At which point it stops. And as soon as you put your three dimensional human conscious attention on it, it stops. There’s an element of trickster around that crop circle makers as well.

00:24:21:21 – 00:24:40:18

Steve

They do have a sense of humor. Trust me on this. Every time some learners academic, predominantly male mathematician says, I’ve got the answer. I know where they’re from. I know what’s making. This is my answer to the crop circles. Within days, a new crop circle will happen, which completely disproves that theory.

00:24:40:20 – 00:24:43:14

Amanda

Wow. That’s awesome.

00:24:43:16 – 00:25:15:06

Steve

I love it, it’s prankster energy. Thing is, Amanda, I hope we never find out the science behind it. I, I cannot explain it. I cannot understand it, I know it, I feel it a little bit, but don’t ask me to explain it. And we have so little mystery left in this world to have this enigma, this enchanting symbolic event that’s happening in the fields.

00:25:15:06 – 00:25:34:14

Steve

And it happens all over the world. You get crop circles in America, you get crop circles in India. I’ve seen these patterns occurring in snow, in sand, in the desert. I’m aware of crop circles having happened in about 80 different countries of the world. Most of them just get 1 or 2. But they have happened in rice fields.

00:25:34:14 – 00:25:49:11

Steve

They happened in dust in the underground subway tunnels of Japan for about three weeks back in the 90s. And it’s not what. And yet it’s not aliens or it is.

00:25:49:13 – 00:26:02:01

Amanda

Okay. That is one of the questions on my list. You said earlier that you don’t go into UFOs and you don’t go into aliens. Why? First of all, what are UFOs and aliens to you? And then why don’t you go there?

00:26:02:03 – 00:26:11:23

Steve

Well, firstly, the aliens have already been there. Most of them are in human form and they’re just not in touch with the planet, not in touch with themselves. You know, that to me, is what a real alien is.

00:26:12:00 – 00:26:19:15

Amanda

Are you talking about aliens? Like the way they’re portrayed in the movies with, like, they’re green and they’re, you know, like, define alien?

00:26:19:17 – 00:26:23:23

Steve

Let’s not talk about aliens. That’s taught by extraterrestrials.

00:26:24:00 – 00:26:53:19

Amanda

Hey there. I hope you’re loving this episode. If you’d like to go deeper down the crop circle rabbit hole with Steve, consider joining us for our upcoming live two hour webinar and Q&A called Crop Circles The Science, Myth and Mystery, where Steve will take us on a visual adventure of the many crop circles he’s explored, including footage of the orbs of transparent light that surround so many of them, you’ll get the specific backstories surrounding these circles.

00:26:53:21 – 00:27:21:16

Amanda

An exploration of the different collectives of circle makers and their signature styles, potential interpretations of the messages they’re sending, and a deeper exploration of the intersection between astrology and crop circles. It’s happening January 13th at 11 a.m. eastern. Registrants will receive lifetime access to the recordings in audio, video and transcript format, as well as downloadable access to the slides Steve presents.

00:27:21:18 – 00:27:46:03

Amanda

And you’ll get the best pricing we’ll ever offer on this webinar. If you register before the live event on January 13th, 2025. Now, if you’re catching this episode after January 13th, no worries. The recorded webinar is still available for you at astrology. Have.com/crop circles. We’ll put the link in the show notes as well. And now back to the episode.

00:27:46:05 – 00:28:19:21

Steve

Extraterrestrial is something the outside of our Earth or outside of our three dimensional version of Earth. If there were an extraterrestrial race from another galaxy. Unless they cracked lightspeed to the power of ten, it’s going to take them millions of our years to get here. And then they’re just going to sit around and watch us. No, no, that doesn’t work.

00:28:19:23 – 00:28:44:05

Steve

So unless they’ve cracked lightspeed. It’s much easier for me to, I’m not suggesting there’s no other intelligent life in the universe, because of course there must be. The universe itself is intelligent. The idea of a panpsychism saying that the intelligent universe is really beginning to take hold, and that leads us into the multiverse rather than the universe.

00:28:44:07 – 00:29:22:22

Steve

And but this whole idea of outer space and the distances involved and the time it takes for light to reach us. You are looking at a very long period of time here, so I find it really difficult unless we’ve got some type of warp speed like Star Trek or Lightspeed technology, which we have yet to discover, then I can’t say the idea of spaceships craft or visitations from extraterrestrials from outside of our galaxy watching us on Earth.

00:29:22:22 – 00:29:30:21

Steve

Unless they seeded us some 50,000 years ago. But I think that’s probably unlikely.

00:29:30:23 – 00:29:42:14

Amanda

But they’re already defying our understanding of time when they can create these incredibly advanced geometrical forms within seconds in date.

00:29:42:16 – 00:30:05:21

Steve

So. When I worked out that they’re not made by aliens and they’re not made by trees and they’re not made by humans, and they’re not made by animals, and they’re not made by the weather patterns, as some scientists would have it. So what does that leave that excludes all of the rational explanations. So when nothing works from a rational, you have to go outside the box.

00:30:05:23 – 00:30:45:01

Steve

So although I never come up, there was never a eureka moment. But slowly, gradually, steadily over many, many years, decades a certain pattern emerged which became obvious as the cause, the reason behind it, the methodology behind it, and the intention behind it and the origin of it. And it’s pretty clear to me what it is. But if I tell you it, everyone’s going to go, oh, he’s had too many mushrooms or something like that.

00:30:45:03 – 00:30:47:14

Amanda

Do you want to try us?

00:30:47:16 – 00:31:08:08

Steve

Okay. When I was born, there was 2 billion people on this planet. There’s now eight and a half. So population is more than quadrupled in the time that I’ve been alive. When I was born, technology meant this little Bakelite telephone on a wall that you rang and rang, and someone at the other end put plugs together and so you could speak to someone.

00:31:08:10 – 00:31:36:10

Steve

Now I’m talking to you in Hawaii. Come on. I think how much that an acceleration of evolution has happened. When I was a kid, spirituality meant going to church on a Sunday school. Now we’ve got a mixed spirituality coming out of every area of life. The escalation and the acceleration of evolution, whether it’s spiritual, technological or population, it’s not a straight line curve.

00:31:36:16 – 00:32:10:21

Steve

It is a accelerating growth curve. And when an accelerating growth curve hits prime vertical, only 1 or 2 things can happen. Either it will collapse down in on itself and go back the other way, as perhaps happens 12,500 years ago with the polar shift or all the ice sheets breaking the flood, or you go outside the parameters of the graph, and by going outside of the parameters of the graph, I suggest that humanity is poised.

00:32:10:23 – 00:32:40:15

Steve

Here we come to the astrology. With the massive shift of the next year and a half, we are poised to make some type of consciousness leap so that instead of just using 23% of our brain when we’re awake and 27% when we’re asleep, we’re going to end up using 30 or even 33% of our brain when we’re awake, which is going to open the receptors in our brain to a much wider sensory capacity.

00:32:40:17 – 00:33:15:13

Steve

This doesn’t mean we’ll all become telepathic. We’ll be able to read each other’s minds because that’s not what it is. But we are going to become more intuitive, more sensitive, more more aware of the environment we live in, and hopefully also kinder and more compassionate. Although I’m not sure about the last Wednesday, I hope so. And because of that, we’re going to be able to sense a lot more of what is around us, because at the moment, I’m convinced that right there, right there, there is the land of the fast.

00:33:15:13 – 00:34:00:16

Steve

Like there is the land of pixie fairy troll. There is the land of crop circle. Micah, indigenous to this planet. Outside of our range of perception, having lived on this planet at least as long as us, if not a lot longer, we’re screwing up that planet. So I believe they’re sending us the logical designs, a mathematical formula to help us accelerate our evolution so that we can expand our consciousness and minds and rejoin with a community that’s been waiting to greet us for 20,000 years now.

00:34:00:16 – 00:34:26:11

Steve

If I’m completely barking mad and completely barking mad, but I’m having a great time with it, I’m. I’m a genuine pony. Believe that something like this is what’s happening. This is influenced my ideas on death or lack of. And when I couple this with the astrology, especially the astrology of the next couple of years, we’re heading into an unprecedented time in human history.

00:34:26:13 – 00:34:55:19

Steve

This next year and a half is going to change everything. And, I’m I’m both trepidation and anticipation, hopeful and nervous. So, I look forward to this. I really do, because I think there’s going to be some big change. And now the crop circle decreasing in number when when 15 years ago we would get 60 or 70 or even 100 crop circles over a three month period.

00:34:55:21 – 00:35:36:17

Steve

Now we’re getting 10 to 15, sometimes 20, and it’s getting less each year, but they’re still retaining that complexity and that intricacy. They are getting smaller. They’re shrinking now down. Should I 60m, 50m, 40m. But they’re still retaining the absolute intricacy. If it’s not actually increasing it. Something’s happening out there and we can choose to ignore it and go back to watching our televisions and listening and keep drinking the Kool-Aid or, oh, we can actually go, okay, what’s happening here?

00:35:36:17 – 00:36:04:20

Steve

Can I stretch my brain to try and, relate to this, to try and work with it? And this is why I say that this, this, this planet is full of aliens. Because I call it the difference between human beings and humans being. And that’s not to make me better or worse than anyone else, but most of my friends, what I call human being and all my astrological students are because they’re conscious of the bigger picture.

00:36:04:22 – 00:36:19:15

Steve

And astrology is such a good metaphor to describe that bigger picture. It takes you outside of the loop of television, media, and social engagement, social media.

00:36:19:17 – 00:36:39:06

Amanda

So your your theory is that these are dimensional beings who are actually here right now. It’s just that our sensory perception is limited. So we don’t have awareness of them. You know.

00:36:39:08 – 00:36:41:00

Steve

We haven’t got wide enough bandwidth.

00:36:41:02 – 00:36:48:12

Amanda

We don’t have enough bandwidth. Exactly. And potentially there’s there’s too much interference as well.

00:36:48:14 – 00:36:54:19

Steve

Which is also, we’ve got a lens cap on, you know, we’re only seeing we need a wide angle, wider angle lens.

00:36:54:21 – 00:37:17:08

Amanda

Well, you know, what’s interesting is just, you know, having children, they sense something else very often. I mean, they’re they’re constantly tuned in to at least my little my girls were fairies and beings that I couldn’t see. And so I would think we’re playing imagination, but to them it was 100% real.

00:37:17:10 – 00:37:24:04

Steve

Yeah. How’s it go? Come down off that ceiling. You can’t fly. All right, then.

00:37:24:06 – 00:37:26:22

Amanda

But that fairy over there can.

00:37:26:24 – 00:37:45:19

Steve

Yeah, yeah. And I’ve seen enough of that type of phenomena in in isolated moments of time to not doubt it’s reality. And many people have, they just choose to forget it.

00:37:45:21 – 00:38:01:20

Amanda

So, Steve, in the upcoming class that you’re going to be teaching with us in just about a week and a half. So if any of you are interested in, make sure you go and check that out. We’re going to put the links in the show notes. You could also go to astrology, have.com/crop circles and go check out the class.

00:38:01:20 – 00:38:20:24

Amanda

It’s going to be a two hour download from Steve as well as live Q&A with tons of visuals. So this is going to be a live teaching. You’re going to get to be a part of the community. You’re going to get to meet the other astrology, have community members who are also interested in going down this rabbit hole with you.

00:38:21:03 – 00:38:25:22

Steve

I’m going to need a trip that express. So.

00:38:25:24 – 00:38:33:00

Amanda

Steve, tell us what we’re going to be learning in that class and how it’s going to be different from what we just explored.

00:38:33:02 – 00:39:03:15

Steve

First of all, I’m going to be showing, more modern formations and the, the and I’ve shown you a lot of the mathematical ones. So ones I’ll be showing you next time will be as much the artistic ones were the ones that bring beauty, harmony and joy into our lives. Some of them you will look at and think is what I’ll be focusing on is the effect these things have on people, because so many people will look at the formations, go, oh yeah, there’s oh, oh no, no, I forgot.

00:39:03:15 – 00:39:24:22

Steve

I’m thinking that they know instantly many people just know what they are. And then a split second layer, oh no, it’s gone. Because the rational kicks back in. So I’m going to be looking at that. I’m going to be looking at, crop circles from all over the world, including some from the US survey.

00:39:24:24 – 00:39:29:23

Amanda

Oh, amazing. Do you have any that are like in the we’re like in sand, in dust, in like so I’ve.

00:39:29:24 – 00:39:32:05

Steve

Got someone I’ve got some in snow. Yeah.

00:39:32:07 – 00:39:34:12

Amanda

No. Yes. Okay. Amazing. Yeah.

00:39:34:14 – 00:39:57:09

Steve

Sand and dust. I’ve got three circles. I’ve got cabbage circle picture. And Yes. Snow circle snow formations. Snow patterns. Yeah. And, I don’t expect anyone to take me seriously the voice stuff, because it’s so out there. But I do hope that enough people will be stimulated by this to actually do a bit of investigation on their own.

00:39:57:15 – 00:40:17:24

Steve

And a warning if you’re going to go, if you’re going to investigate is a real rabbit hole, because the hardest thing to do is going to be able to avoid the stupidity of the conspiracy theories because they’ll be so many different links. So say, oh, it’s done by this group of people, was done by that alien community, or starting from the Pleiades.

00:40:18:00 – 00:40:37:05

Steve

1. Don’t get deflected from the joy and the beauty that these things bring into your lives. And different. And that’s what I’m going to be focusing on, the joy and the harmony that they bring into people’s lives.

00:40:37:07 – 00:40:50:08

Amanda

Steve, what about the, astrology of the next couple of years? Or like, where do you see the intersection between astrology and these crop circles? Will you will you be diving into that at all?

00:40:50:10 – 00:41:17:01

Steve

Yes. I’ve just finished recording all my videos for 2025. I saw the 12 signs was that I’ve still got to the globe, but I’ll be doing that in the studio tomorrow. But I’ve just finished the 12 signs and, there’s a couple of specific moments next year which act to me as real triggers, and I’m prepared to stick my neck out.

00:41:17:03 – 00:41:52:03

Steve

One of them certainly is going to be a time where there’s going to be. A big crop circle. So I’m really going to stick my neck out. Here it is the period of the second week of June when Jupiter moves into cancer. On the 9th of June and over the 13th to the 15th of June, when Mercury’s conjunct Jupiter, they will both be exactly squaring Saturn and Neptune at zero degrees of Aries.

00:41:52:05 – 00:42:19:07

Steve

So you’ve got this big zero degrees square of Mercury, Jupiter square with Neptune. So I suspect there’s going to be some type of strange phenomena happening in the fields of southern England and maybe elsewhere at that time. But I also expect there’s another particular time which which I’ve not heard any other astrologer talking about this yet, apart from Rick, there’s going to be a five planet conjunction for two weeks next year.

00:42:19:09 – 00:42:50:17

Steve

Two weeks. We’re going to have five planets within seven degrees of each other. That’s because we’re going to have Saturn and Neptune and the North Node altogether at the end of Pisces, 25 to 30 to zero. Aries or 25 to 29, Pisces and Mercury and Venus will both go, will stand still in their retrograde going direct phase between 23 to 29 of Pisces.

00:42:50:19 – 00:43:30:12

Steve

This is all going to be taking place in the middle two weeks or latter two weeks of March, and it is most accurate at the time, around the 29th of March, when there was a partial eclipse of the sun at Aeris in Aries. Just as these five planets are at their strongest, that is also a time where I expect some very interesting phenomena which will be passed off as meteorological or weather patterns, but I suspect there’s going to be a lot of things going on with the sea there, because the Pisces connection not quite how that would fit into the crop circle phenomena, I don’t know.

00:43:30:12 – 00:43:41:02

Steve

But I also think these moments of next year aren’t these not designed, but tools to help us accelerate again, consciousness.

00:43:41:04 – 00:43:49:13

Amanda

Steve, have you noticed a correlation between astrological transits and events and the appearance of the crop circles?

00:43:49:15 – 00:44:20:05

Steve

I have looked so deeply at this. I have found the times when crop circles have happened and done horoscopes for them. There is no link that I’ve been able to find. I’ve done horoscopes for crop circles is now a common denominator. They all happen in the UK between early June and early September. They will happen at night and they only happen around the world where there is crop growing.

00:44:20:05 – 00:44:57:18

Steve

So when there’s when the harvest has happened, the crop circles stop. So it’s seasonal unless it happens in snow or ice or sand or dust. But that’s rare. That’s very rare. 95% of them happen in grain. There’s a lot of crop circles in America that’s just not reported, because they happen in really wild places like Montana, you know, or Idaho or somewhere like that, where the fields are vast and no one ever gets to see, because there’s not a lot of people there.

00:44:57:20 – 00:45:03:08

Amanda

Are they always happening on ley lines and have you looked into they are not always happening on ley lines.

00:45:03:12 – 00:45:26:05

Steve

The, the, the whole process of ley lines. So I did a, I did a really concentrated study of ley lines on my, on my master’s degree. It was one of my papers looking at ley lines in Britain. And I examined the ley lines as they came through the city of bath. And there’s an antiquity. There’s supposed to be 7 or 8 different ley lines, all focusing through bath.

00:45:26:07 – 00:45:56:11

Steve

And this was in 2004, five. And I did manage to get permission to use a natural satellite for about five minutes at that time, to give an absolutely precise measurement. I was also using the very first edition of Google Earth, which had just come out at that time, and I was able to prove that of these seven so-called ley lines, only two of them were exact.

00:45:56:13 – 00:46:41:05

Steve

But they were exact over about 15 miles over Hill Valley, down Hill. And they linked about nine points all about 2000 years different in that construction from Saxon and Roman churches to modern buildings. But it was accurate to having a foot now quite how these ley lines originated, I don’t know, because to then over 2000 years of without a clear line of sight would require very advanced sky technology, which as far as we know, has only been around in the last 20 to 30 years.

00:46:41:07 – 00:47:11:01

Steve

I have seen no evidence of crop circles appearing directly on ley lines, but they do appear in places where ancient humans have always held a sense of reverence for landscape and for monuments. I build monuments in places that mean a lot to them, and that’s where you get the crop circles. There’s stone circles. There are two millennia long barrows.

00:47:11:03 – 00:47:26:17

Steve

50% of the crop circles in Britain happen within 20 miles of a French Stonehenge. Some circles. Why? But then why did our ancestors build those stones? So who’s in that place? Something here from antiquity.

00:47:26:19 – 00:47:42:09

Amanda

As we’re wrapping up, what would you like to say to any potential students for the upcoming class? Who is this for? What are you hoping that they’re going to get out of it? And, what are you most excited to talk with them about when we can.

00:47:42:10 – 00:48:00:12

Steve

I would certainly encourage anybody to go and visit a crop circle and obviously to get the farmers permission first. Otherwise you get down to trespass. Certainly go and visit the crop circle and experience it firsthand, because everybody who does comes out of their smiling with a big grin on their face go, oh my, I feel I feel really stimulated.

00:48:00:12 – 00:48:22:02

Steve

And that’s lovely. Secondly, I’m kind of keen as a little bit of an anarchist to me. I’m kind of keen to scramble people’s versions of, structured reality, because this world is a lot stranger than we’d like to think it is. And the crop circles will help you stretch your mind to embrace other options, shall we say.

00:48:22:02 – 00:48:46:18

Steve

So I’m interested in doing that because I want people to expand their minds. And the crop circles are a tool that does that, as is astrology. And there is an interface between them because, well, it’s to do with landscape horizon as above, so below. And the best way to see the crop circles is from above or to be in them personally to actually travel into them.

00:48:46:20 – 00:49:09:22

Steve

Thing is, many people have been in them. You know, you get people every year coming from all over the world to England to go in crop circles. There’s crop circle chores, crop circle busses, crop circle calendars, crop circle books, crop circle T-shirts, big business. But no one holds a patent and no one controls it. That’s the beauty of it.

00:49:09:22 – 00:49:13:00

Steve

There’s not a lot of money to be made. There is personal.

00:49:13:02 – 00:49:41:14

Amanda

I feel like what you’re doing, Steve, is, is kind of tilling the soil of our consciousness so that we’re ready for this expansion that is going to be happening over the next year and a half. And part of it is that we have to go beyond that rational mind of what’s possible and what’s not possible, and what we know and what we don’t know, and really just be in that place where you said, it’s like, I’d rather not know and I’d rather it remain a mystery.

00:49:41:16 – 00:50:03:13

Amanda

And can we continue to enjoy being in that kind of space because the like you said, the minute we come in and try to rationalize it and understand it with our logic, we kind of rush it, right? So this is going to be for all the students in this class. This will be an opportunity to just till the soil of your consciousness and open up.

00:50:03:13 – 00:50:23:11

Steve

It is a lovely way to put it before. Before we started this, we had a little chat about magic and enchantment. And there is something of the enchanting here. You do enter into a different frame of consciousness when you go in the crops, or when you spend a long time being exposed to the crop circle pictures, you don’t even need to go in them.

00:50:23:13 – 00:50:31:06

Steve

People will come out of this session in a different space than they went into it, just through seeing these pictures.

00:50:31:08 – 00:50:56:07

Amanda

Well, thank you again. It’s such an honor to have you on our platform that you are sharing these things with our community. We welcome any of the people from your community who want to come and join this event as well. And Steve, I just, I you’re just so delightful. So everybody, thank you so much for being here. I can’t wait to share this event with you on January 13th and go to astrology.com/crop circles if you are intrigued.

00:50:56:07 – 00:51:19:17

Amanda

If you want to go deeper down the rabbit hole, if you want to learn more, and if you want to learn from someone who is also a master in astrology so we can continue to thread these things together. How our understanding and knowledge of the transits, the upcoming transits, the astrological invitation of 2025 and beyond to begin weaving these things together to me is fascinating.

00:51:19:17 – 00:51:41:08

Amanda

And I and I think we’re just probably scratching the surface. So can’t wait to to to do this with you, Steve, and and with all of you out there. Go check it out. Join us, Inner Circle members. You can layer your discount for this class, so if you’d like to participate, you will get your 20% discount or 10% discount depending on which level of inner circle you are.

00:51:41:10 – 00:51:48:12

Amanda

And yeah. Can’t wait to share this with you all very, very soon. Steve. Anything you want to leave them with lounge for?

00:51:48:12 – 00:51:50:11

Steve

I’m going to save it for the next session.

00:51:50:13 – 00:52:09:19

Amanda

All right. Take care everyone. We will see you soon. Thank you for being here. Thank you for being a part of our community. Thank you, as always, for making astrology and now crop circles a part of your life. We’ll catch you on the next episode. Well friends, I hope you enjoyed this episode. Want more? Make sure you’re signed up for our Cosmic Insider newsletter.

00:52:09:24 – 00:52:35:21

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00:52:35:23 – 00:52:36:15

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